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Attention All Merchants!

Aug 3rd UPDATE: LL released Viewer Managed Marketplace today, you can download and use it on their viewer here. We hope to have a build in preview group by the end of the week, and a release mid week next week. We’ll have a blog post here once its available in our preview group.

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Linden Lab announced on the 16th that they will begin migrating all merchant sellers from Direct Delivery to Viewer Managed Marketplace (VMM for short) today, and it is expected to take 1-2 weeks to complete. Once migrated, you will not be able to update or manage your Marketplace listings without a VMM-enabled viewer. You may see an announcement when logging into Marketplace that looks like this. http://i.imgur.com/tPqTiuG.jpg. Unfortunately, at the time of this writing, not even LL has a VMM viewer formally released; however, they do have a release candidate viewer you can download from their alternate viewers page here. 

Firestorm does not have VMM released yet, but we are working as hard as we can to get it through our QA and into the Firestorm Preview group ASAP so that merchants can access its functionality prior to our official release. We were not expecting such a tight deadline but hope to have something in preview early next week.

We do not merge code from LL out of the order the lab releases it, and since they have other RCs in the works, we can’t merge VMM code into our repository yet.

In the meantime, once migrated you can use the LL VMM RC viewer, CoolVL viewer, or Black Dragon Viewer.

 

More information about Viewer Managed Marketplace:
LL Announcement

LL Knolwedge Base with video tutorials

LL VMM FAQ

 

  • I don’t understand why LL is rushing this. I really don’t want to have to download another viewer just to manage my marketplace listings.

    Imagin Illyar

    July 23, 2015

  • Imagin you do not have to the VMM Release candidate all the time. But you will need the VMM release candidate to create a new listing. And you do not need to use it all the time, just when you want to make a new listing. As new VMM functions will distribute the content on the older viewers. Just do not delete the content, out of the folder that you will see for Marketplace when your store is migrated to VMM. As for LL rushing this, they actually are not rushing it as this has been in development for a long time. They are just finishing things up, and crossing the T’s and dotting the i’s is all.

    animorf Kawadias

    July 23, 2015

  • They wrote the reason in the forum:
    https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/Viewer-Managed-Marketplace-Released-Migration-Begins-July-23/m-p/2950595/highlight/true#M53379
    “As many of you noticed, we did shorten the time line to get Merchants migrated to VMM. This is due primarily to the need to get Merchants off of Xstreet, as it was down for a weekend in early July, forcing us to accelerate our dates.”

    Pointer

    July 26, 2015

  • Coming before 1st August?

    Nethya

    July 30, 2015

  • LL hahahahahahahahaha complete Looser assholes …

    b

    July 23, 2015

  • Well, that is an adult responce…

    Drake1 Nightfire

    August 2, 2015

  • OK I know there is a lot of negativity towards Linden Lab, every time they release a new function. But please stop with the rhetorical negative comments as they are detrimental to the community as a whole. As a person of business, who has managed major companies in real life there are three things that cause people to stop doing business. One is they move, two is they die, three which is the most important is word of mouth negativity.

    Now while I do not like the Linden Viewer, what they did with their Viewer Managed Marketplace is actually in my opinion one of the greatest gifts Linden Lab has given us as a community with this new tool. Now I say that, because I have used the Linden Lab VMM Release candidate. And I found it to actually be easier to use, then the old Merchant outbox. All though it does work very much the same, on their viewer with getting content from your inventory over to Marketplace. The way they set it up, actually saves time, makes fixing mistakes so simple a 6 year old could fix a mistake with a listing. And I have found that, the added functionality on VMM makes my job as a merchant a dream come true.

    Now I will explain why, as I made the mistake of associating the wrong object to the wrong listing which meant I had to correct the problem. Now on Merchant outbox, I would have had to not only deactivate the listing, and return it to my inventory. I would have also had to copy all of the information, and create a Brand New Listing. Since I did that, what I found was, all I had to do was drop the correct item into the new VMM functions, and then find the original listing and enter a number in to associate the correct item with the correct listing. Then all I had to do, was reactivate the listing, that mean that I did not have to do all the extra steps to recreate a brand new listing. The rest was the exact same, as creating a listing with Merchant outbox, I just could do it all from the viewer now.

    Now I do not use the Linden Viewer Managed Marketplace all the time, only when I need to make a new listing, or fix a listing then I go back to my preferred viewer of choice.

    Now I do not know how the Phoenix-Firestorm Dev’s are setting VMM up on their viewer. But I am fairly confident it will be done, the exact same way they did when Linden Lab implemented Merchant Outbox.

    Now please re-frame from posting negative remarks about Linden Lab, and their new VMM functions as it is hurtful for merchants to see. As it discourages people from wanting to sell content, and that will kill second life faster then you think. “And we all want second life to live well into the future.”

    animorf Kawadias

    July 23, 2015

  • “Now I will explain why, as I made the mistake of associating the wrong object to the wrong listing which meant I had to correct the problem. Now on Merchant outbox, I would have had to not only deactivate the listing, and return it to my inventory.”

    What? If you make a mistake with the a listing you never needed to completely deactivate the listing. I’ve updated new versions of a listing very quickly without having to completely relist an item.

    In fact, if you are completely deactivating and making a new listing for a new association you’re wiping the reviews of your product, which is against Marketplace ToS.

    Laurie7983 Gothly

    July 24, 2015

  • As usual LL is forcing the residents to be their beta testers since the only way to manage one’s marketplace store is to use the beta version that includes the code.

    Crim Mip

    July 26, 2015

  • Nope. Plans were to commence migration after the viewer reached release status, but they have been forced to accelerate their dates “due primarily to the need to get Merchants off of Xstreet, as it was down for a weekend in early July”, as they wrote on the forum. And the viewer wasn’t a Beta, but a RC (release canditate), so it would have been released soon anyway.

    Pointer

    July 26, 2015

  • ‘Release Candidate’ is just a different way of saying ‘beta version’ If it was ready for prime time, the code would be in the official current viewer. When it is, it will stop being beta.

    Crim Mip

    July 27, 2015

  • That’s lovely – and utter bull. There was no need whatsoever to move their time table. None.

    There was also no need to force users to migrate – none.

    Oh, and a Release Candidate? That’s a fancy name for a Beta.

    Dark Wolf

    July 27, 2015

  • –Interesting historical note: Tin cans were used as early as 1772 to preserve food in the Netherlands.
    –The first can openers were patented in England in 1855 and 1858 in America.

    I guess the same people ran things back then too.

    JackFrom VA

    July 26, 2015

  • I wish that LL would give us a status report like 35% done or something…….. it is all too quiet.. and I do not like it. Also they should not have done the migration till the viewer was released.. To me they are doing this all backasswards. Just my two lindens tossed into the mix.

    LadyPetunias Audion

    July 27, 2015

  • […] Viewer Managed Marketplace. The Firestorm team have explained the situation in a blog post – Attention All Merchants! […]

  • Please for frackers sake update I can not stand using the LL viewer

    Sugar

    July 29, 2015

  • while i’m not happy about the change it’s for the better i’d hope.

    i don’t like learning a whole new system and stuff and having to manually do things plus my inventory is already a mess! lol! as a merchant i have to keep up on top of stuff like this and learn it if i want to continue having a presense on marketplace. oh well time to go back to merchant school and learn their new system!

    Sakura Rajal

    July 30, 2015

  • “i don’t like learning a whole new system and stuff and having to manually do things plus my inventory is already a mess!” Just wait, you’ll get used to this one and then they’ll spring another system on you.

    Juliet

    August 5, 2015

  • First, I didn’t know X street still existed. Who shops there? I never bought a single thing off of it in over 8 years in SL. Thought it was long gone as soon as Marketplace went up.

    Second, I tried Black Dragon and the SL Viewer and couldn’t find the damn Marketplace folder even in either of them. Ironically, I see the Marketplace folder in Firestorm. I tried the filters, still didn’t show up in search or scrolling to search (painful!). Couldn’t even SEE the folder names in Black Dragon for system folders because the font is dark green or blue against black. I gave up and will wait for Firestorm.

    Galilla

    August 5, 2015

  • Magic boxes use the Xstreet backend.
    On the LL viewer ( make sure you are on the latest version from https://secondlife.com/support/downloads/ which now supports VMM) you will find the new Marketplace Listings option under the “Me” menu in the top menu bar.
    On Firestorm, you will still see the old Merchant Outbox option under the Avatar manu from the top menu bar.
    The Merchant Outbox will fail to connect to the Marketplace now and will spit a 503 error.

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 5, 2015

  • Thanks Whirly, I did find it under the “Me’ menu. Silly “me,” looking in the Inventory. And yep, I’ve been using the Merchant Outbox for years now. 🙂

    I ended up using the LL Viewer to make just 2 listings and now I feel like I need a shower.

    Galilla

    August 11, 2015

  • The new VMM, even in its betas, is amazing! I managed to update so many of my products that i would have *NEVER* even considered updating otherwise. I cannot stress enough HOW EASIER it is to do that now…compared to *any* other MP i have experienced (including CasperVend).

    It supports delivering whole folders as part of your original product which is great for my productions that feature lot of different types of clothes for a number of avatars.

    Then, on the Market Place, when customers select the tab “CONTENTS” its all visible to them – no detailed descriptions of contents are anymore needed, its what-you-see-is-what-you-get style – a far cry from any previous MP management system and even much better than CasperVend (when it comes to updating, ok).

    I strongly advise you to use VMM for managing your products on the MP, people! (as if u got a choice hehe) – as soon as you relax your mind into the possibility of bettering your experience and take a few deep breaths (having your favorite tunes played will help more), you will feel able and happy to go for this brand new management system!

    Jammz

    August 6, 2015

  • Failed so bad. Where is the promised release and bugfix for RLVa???

    Miko

    August 9, 2015

  • If you join the group Phoenix-Firestorm Preview Group (secondlife:///app/group/7ba4569c-9dd9-fed2-aaa7-36065d18a13c/about), you can get the Firestorm public preview 4.7.3.47308 which includes all the RLVa fixes and VMM support.
    See the group notices for details.

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 10, 2015

  • Just an FYI here, after creating two listings using the LL VMM viewer, I was able to just rearrange a couple of folders in those listings in the Marketplace Listings folder in Firestorm and the changes showed immediately on Marketplace. Easy 🙂 The hardest part was the cringe having to use LL viewer.

    Galilla

    August 11, 2015

  • […] at a far higher rate than either Direct Delivery or the SL Marketplace itself. Now that support for VMM is just about to be available in Firestorm, it has just as quickly become important to know how to manage your Marketplace […]

  • Amazing that these viewers with their small teams are offering VMM already, but Firestorm with all his development powers has not even a beta to offer. I’m a Firestorm fan. But this is strange…

    Leon

    August 14, 2015

  • If you join the group Phoenix-Firestorm Preview Group (secondlife:///app/group/7ba4569c-9dd9-fed2-aaa7-36065d18a13c/about), you can get the Firestorm public preview 4.7.3.47308 which includes VMM support.
    See the group notices for details.

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 14, 2015

  • Thanks for the info. Btw, the post above is already weeks old. I’m sure that Firestorm users would be happy about an update.

    Leon

    August 15, 2015

  • Keep your eye on the blog to tomorrow 😉

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 16, 2015

  • Why are you behind on the release? Why do other 3rd party viewers have a release? I ask because we’ve been devoted to Firestorm. Now, we’re adrift.

    Jolee

    August 14, 2015

  • If you join the group Phoenix-Firestorm Preview Group (secondlife:///app/group/7ba4569c-9dd9-fed2-aaa7-36065d18a13c/about), you can get the Firestorm public preview 4.7.3.47308 which includes VMM support.
    See the group notices for details.

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 14, 2015

  • Starting to agree on this stance. The fact that the preview is basically hidden behind obscurity (If Whirly hadn’t mentioned it at some point previously I wouldn’t have known about it at all) leaves me wondering if I should switch to a viewer with a more open update schedule, but that built in AO is simply more advanced than any other built in AO on any other viewer… even if it’s a bit glitchy sometimes.

    DoomRater

    August 15, 2015

  • Keep your eye on the blog tomorrow 😉

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 16, 2015

  • Why does the system suck so much? Its been lagging non stop all this week and even last week. There’s nothing with my internet connection and yet I still get lags. I then crashed 5 times today.. Like ya know… wtf….

    Unknown

    August 16, 2015

  • This update sounds fantastic, so I was disappointed to learn it will not run on Mac 10.6. Looking forward to the version that WILL run on that. I found out the hard way, BTW: I was so eager to try it out that I downloaded the new version (and removed all trace of the previous version) without reading the post properly. It was only when I couldn’t open it I came back and read the post. That’ll teach me.

    Francesca Alva

    August 19, 2015

  • Replying to my own comment here: I misread this – I’m on Mac 10.10.5 – the latest release and can’t get it to work. 🙁

    Francesca Alva

    August 20, 2015

  • Firestorm 4.7.3 should work just fine on Mac 10.10.5.
    Francesca, if you are having problems getting 4.7.3 working, please contact the support team – http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/getting_help

    Whirly Fizzle

    August 20, 2015