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Q&A – Don’t be surprised.. Be Informed!!!

On Saturday we held a big Q&A session for our users. The purpose of these Q&As is to help you stay informed with what is happening in the virtual world around you, what is happening with this project and the viewer/viewers you run. The Q&A went on for nearly three hours and was well attended with a full region; it was recorded for those who couldn’t attend.

 

Some key points that should catch your attention. (If you don’t know what these things mean or want to learn more about  them, read the transcript linked at the bottom or watch the video.)

  • CHUI is coming to Firestorm.
  • Materials is coming to Firestorm.
  • Server side appearance progress.
  • OTR… The myths and the facts, and yes it’s coming to Firestorm.
  • What is coming in the next Firestorm release and what to expect, what not to expect.
  • We will begin forcing users to update by blocking old versions of Firestorm. Only the three latest versions will be allowed on the grid at any given time.
  • Regularly scheduled Q&As will begin in September.
  • Etc., etc.
  • Want to know more? Read below…

If you are one of those people who like to be informed or understand the importance of being informed but couldn’t make it, Inara Pey has been kind enough to once again transcribe and summarize the entire session on her blog here. http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/firestorm-meeting-10th-august-2013-video-and-transcript . She even included videos relating to some of the  topics that were discussed. Highly recommended.

For those who would prefer the video only, you can watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2625fFfP94A or from Inara’s post.

Jessica Lyon
Project Manager
The Phoenix Firestorm Project, Inc.

  • I have read a few things, and listened to the video (as best I could its long). I didn’t see 2 things i was wondering about relating to the new versioning. 1) I assume it goes without saying that Phoenix is not in the last three releases and that all versions will be blocked? 2) Is there a time frame for when the blocks will take place?

    I think this is a very smart move on the part of the team and commend you from taking the step. Its hard for people that cannot run newer releases, but sometimes progress marches on.

    Sean Brady

    August 13, 2013

  • We haven’t decided yet what we will do with Phoenix. I may not have been clear at the meeting but the 3 version rule will start as of now, existing builds don’t really fall into the rule because we expect SSA will kill them off anyways. However if after SSA is fully deployed for a few weeks, we see there are still thousands on Phoe we ‘may’ decide to block it. I would rather avoid that if I could though.

    Jessica Lyon

    August 13, 2013

  • Block Phoenix and I guarantee you will lose 28,000 users forever. Firestorm is crap and won’t work even on many high end computers, and you know it. I still need Phoenix for building. Do you really want to alienate tens of thousands of SL users just because you insist on acting like an overgrown child?

    Grow up already, Jessica Lyin’. Stop being a selfish elitist brat. You’ve already made clear how little you think of people’s intelligence, and now because one twerp asks for it, you want to block access to SL for thousands of people? And you wonder why nobody likes you.

    Archangel Mortenwold

    August 13, 2013

  • oi Archangel Mortenwold
    if you don’t like it, shut the hell up and go play with another viewer.
    phoenix is dead and it ain’t coming back.

    thats life so get over it.

    it’s free
    made by volunteers
    should be thankful they even make the viewers for us.

    so stop being selfish.

    For me firestorm is the only viewer that doesnt crash on me.

    Snookums

    August 14, 2013

  • If as you claim that Firestorm is so bad why is it then LInden them self list it as one of the most used and most stable of viewers out there? If it is as bad as you claim it to be the user statistics would reflect that and the simple fact is they do not. That’s not to say people don’t have issues but these are often down to poorly set up viewers or simply old outdated hardware and the few problems with high end cards has always been due to the drivers for that hardware a simple fact you can see for yourself in the jira even linden had the same issues with the new graphics card drivers and this is not the fault of firestorm and many like myself with high end comps run firestorm with out any problems. So to summarize for the most part those with issues are due to outdated hardware or bad drivers so in what way is this firestorms fault?
    As for saying you need phoenix to build? You do know that firestorm has exactly the same building tools that phoenix has. So exactly what is stopping you from building in firestorm? That’s right nothing is.
    They are not alienating anyone it is linden that are doing that it is linden not firestorm that are putting in place changes that will render old v1 viewers like phoenix unusable and it is linden not firestorm that are trying to kill of v1 viewers.

    EQINOX

    August 14, 2013

  • I happen to have a fairly high end computer and firestorm runs fine on my computer.

    nathan

    August 14, 2013

  • Stop being a fool, kiddo. I doubt Jessica could care less about losing your 28000 alts, who no doubt are among the only throwbacks left who’re idiotic enough to believe your conspiracy theories and haven’t taken the plunge and upgraded to a viewer that’s not based on 10 year old technology that in a few weeks will no longer give them a user experience.

    If anything, people like you are a very good reason to block Phoenix and indeed any old viewers and I’d like LL to take that step and just prevent anything based on v1 from accessing the grid, permanently.

    Iala

    August 14, 2013

  • Oh fuck off, archie, you cunt.

    NiranV

    August 14, 2013

  • @Archangel Mortenwold – If people refuse to update or switch to a client that supports SSA once it is rolled out into the release channel for awhile everyone will be grey to these people thus there is a need to update and if too many are still on phoenix (there are alternatives that still rely on the v1 style interface entirely out there that support SSA) We have no supported Phoenix for awhile now. It will not be updated further as has been said multiple times as focusing on two entirely different code bases is silly and people knew that Phoenix would not support SSA so it is no surprise to anyone unless they have been hiding under a rock for the past 6 months or so

    Lina Pussycat

    August 14, 2013

  • Most of the phoenix users are moving to firestorm, or over to singularity or coolviewer. WHen SSA comes out, phoenix users will not be able to see their avatars, or the avatars of others.

    II can compile and use firestorm quite well on a 2007 core2 duo, so running it does not require anything “high end”. Some people have issues with a viewer, but that was true of V1 viewers too.

    The last part is hilarious because it is reeking of hypocrisy and projected feelings. jessica and the team have been calmly stating for a t least a year that Phoenix will die. You chose to ignore it because you are a viewer 1 elitist, who loathes using the “inferior” viewer 3. You, in selfish, childish fashion, demand they keep a viewer around that they have repeatedly said is dead just for a dwindling umber of users. then you insult peoples intelligence by bringing out the years old canards about how its slow and laggy, which for most people who use it for more than a few days is proven false.

    Throwing a tantrum will not change anything, at this point you have tfour options: fork pheonix and make your own viewer, move to singularity or coolviewer, move to firestorm or the LL viewer, or GTFO second life

    Serith

    August 14, 2013

  • Jessica! I can’t believe how rude people are being to you, and how short-sighted & ignorant they are! I appreciate all that you and your peeps are doing to try to make Firestorm better. It is impossible to keep everything the way it has been – it is impossible to continue to support every single old version – and you have no choice but to try to develop the viewer in a way that best works with the changes Linden Lab implements.

    /me sends hugs to all the hard-working FS folks, along with special magical earplugs to help you block out rude, ignorant, unconstructive criticism.

    Grizzla

    August 14, 2013

  • Dude. Are you serious?? You can’t be. If you still need Phoenix for building, I’d say maybe it’s time you work on your own learning curve, instead of trolling and insulting people bringing you these viewers free of charge? Why that need to patronize others over your own technical incompetence?

    Frankly, why do people that have systems unable to run todays SL-viewers try to go into SL in the first place? Sure, I’d like to enter the GP of Monaco, but I can’t expect it to be very gratifying doing so in an old Datsun. My system is 6 years old btw, and it has no trouble running Firestorm at all. ‘High end computers’ turn into Datsuns soon enough when not properly maintained locally.

    Efilateg

    August 15, 2013

  • Obviously your own brain has not been updated for a long, long time.

    Sandra Palletier

    August 15, 2013

  • The people who act as you just did, showing absolutely no appreciation or care for the people who created the software you take for granted every day, are astounding. It’s beyond comprehension to me how someone like you could say such things to someone who…
    1. does not get paid to do the work you expect them to do on command and
    2. have done nothing but try to work to make something you enjoy a better experience while conforming to the standards that LL forces on them.

    Jessica Lyon owes you and SL residents nothing and yet continues to provide everything she can. She’s a human and deserves to be treated with common decency, along with the entire Firestorm ****volunteers****.

    So what if 28,000 people stop using Firestorm or Second Life? Why is that Jessica’s problem? And who are you to represent all 28,000 of those people of whom maybe 10-15 are your louder than life friends?

    Show some respect to the people you expect things from, perhaps even a little gratitude, and it will get you much farther with them in terms of getting what you want. If you open your mind up, you might even find what they’re saying makes sense and maybe, just maybe, that you’re wrong.

    Jessica and co, thank you for firestorm and formerly for phoenix. They both make SL tolerable and workable for me when the standard viewer and most other viewers do not.

    Kalia Firelyte

    August 15, 2013

  • I know not many “nobody”s
    Almost everyone I know loves Jessica, the team and the work they do.
    Do you have same concrete names or is this only a troll post?

    papa

    August 15, 2013

  • That was ridiculously inappropriate, Archangel! Shame on you for being so rude.

    Jessica, thank you for keeping us informed. I look forward to the updates. :)

    Khaya Leistone

    August 15, 2013

  • Seriously, I can’t believe what you wrote here. I mean this is a free viewer they provide as a free service and did not cost you or anyone one single cent. If they lose someone as rude and insulting as yourself I would say it’s no great loss.

    I have been running firestorm since they first created it, and my computer is a AMD quad with 8 MB ram. Certainly not TOP of the line but fast enough and it works just fine.

    If your computer skills are SO pathetic that you can’t follow instructions and do a clean install or learn how to use a program when it’s updated then I have serious doubts about your building skills as well.

    You’re very flippant about this team losing 28,000 users well I think you greatly exaggerate and firestorm is MUCH better than phoenix ever was – I have used it, and I have used the old Emerald as well.
    You can do anything in firestorm in regard to building that you did in Phoenix if you just take the time to learn where things are at.

    The problem is some people are in a rut, and hate learning new things.

    Anything that does not move and change becomes STAGNATE – ever see water that doesn’t flow? It becomes stagnate and turns sour, not good for anything.

    I have NO affiliation with the phoenix team or firestorm but my opinion of people who complain rather than accept that things are changing and try to learn something new i that they are just plain ole lazy.

    You really owe these people and apology in my opinion but I doubt you have the grace or understanding to realize how obnoxious your post really was.
    Toodles.

    Lynna Yorcliffe

    August 16, 2013

  • The first few times I logged onto FS .. I was not happy … it was way to much like V3 and I didn’t like it .. but then I started seeing they offered classes to make FS like phoenix .. after learning a few tricks
    I found it not so bad .

    As anything As Bugs are found and things are
    needed I’m sure they will put out more updates to help.

    People swearing and cursing to try to stress there point is unless.
    that does not show your point only your limited language.

    People need to understand that yes it is frustrating at times
    but like anything new / change is not always easy.

    Be patient and have an open mind. If your struggling with the FS then take a class or 2 and ask some questions for your personal settings you use during your time in SL.

    Remember .. this is a donated time on there part to bring us this .
    Without them .. we be stuck with LL Version 3

    Sunshine

    August 16, 2013

  • Perhaps they can pay for us to have computer classes so we can understand all this technical stuff (junk). Everyone is gray to me now no matter what I do. Like I said earlier, my computer is 1 year old and it is a gamer so I could build. Well, my building days are over, my store is over, we are going to give up our 2 sims and my rl family members also. It has just gotten too expensive to have to buy a new computer every time they have a whim.

    Lynnie Michigan

    August 17, 2013

  • I am so sick of hearing people whine about losing Phoenix, Firestorm works great for me and i have been a builder for 8+ years in SL. hmm maybe it’s you and your computer… my computer is not high end it is a laptop.
    I think if you have a complaint you should register it with more maturity. You need to get over it and show us all how smart you really are and learn Firestorm.
    I think you should read why all the changes are taking place and realize it is not always up to the programers what they have to change.

    Onyx

    Onyx Bijoux

    August 18, 2013

  • But now its clear, nobody likes you Archangel!!

    LePrinceMoonlight Delicioso

    August 18, 2013

  • Why being rude? It doesn’t bring Phoenix back nor does it make Firestorm better.

    Shy Robbiani

    August 19, 2013

  • I have a high-end computer and it runs Firestorm just fine. I started out with Phoenix and, like with anything new, I wasn’t sure if Firestorm would work for me because it was different. It didn’t take long to get in tune with it, and now I wouldn’t want to go back to Phoenix. Also, I build just fine in Firestorm. With all the great features it has, it makes building so easy.

    @Archangel Mortenwold: Good job making yourself look like a spoiled brat. The world does not revolve around you; grow up. The Firestorm team works their arses off for free trying to bring people a quality viewer. I bet you haven’t donated a cent but you feel entitled enough to complain. If I had my way, you’d be confined to just using SL’s viewer, so you can learn to appreciate the free things in life.

    Nixie Was Here

    August 19, 2013

  • Oh, I hope you don’t block Phoenix! While I use Firestorm most of the time now, I switch to Phoenix when I need to manage my Group because the interface is so much easier to work with. When I’m sitting in my skybox doing admin work, who cares if I’m not showing properly to other people – no one else is there to see me!

    Kylinn

    August 15, 2013

  • Doesn’t FS have the same group interface, though, or close to it?

    Aaron of Minneapolis

    August 16, 2013

  • “However if after SSA is fully deployed for a few weeks, we see there are still thousands on Phoe we ‘may’ decide to block it. I would rather avoid that if I could though.”

    I was wondering if you could elaborate on this, because I am unsure of the relativity. Why would you block it only if there are still thousands on it? The Phoenix viewer is already unsupported so I want to understand how others still using it affects the team or other users (of any SSA Viewer). Will non SSA users appear incorrectly to the rest of us? I was under the impression that it was on the side of the user, so if I’m wrong, I completely understand then. I’m not a phoenix user, but was just not understanding this part.

    Also, looking back in history (a Rockcliffe interview I watched), you said that the purpose of creating Firestorm was to provide a “new home” for Phoenix users, because you stated that V1 will be guaranteed to be killed off by Linden Labs. It has been over a year and Singularity continues to strive, is competitively well featured, and shows no sign of an impending doom. So, in seeing this, do you feel that the decision to move on from Phoenix may have not been so necessary after all? Or do you believe that Singularity V1 has a definite end (by LL’s forced hand)?

    I don’t mean to open an older can of worms, but I only raise these questions because I alternate between Singularity (for better performance on my PC) and other V3 based viewers when necessary, so if the answers give me a glimpse into what viewers I may be settling with in the future, I will feel more prepared. Thanks!

    Aya Mactavish

    August 16, 2013

  • To your first question about whether or not we will block Phoenix. Most if not all game platforms and in fact most software platforms as well, force udpates. This is because it is important for all their users to have the same experience whether it be interacting with each other, or seeing the same things, doing the same things to supporting users. Second Life is no different and in fact LL is making significant efforts to ensure that users on their viewer AND on third party viewers have the same shared experience. IN FACT, it is even part of the third party viewer policy that all viewers have the same shared experience. So in many ways old viewers that do not support SSA for example, are actually in violation of the TPV Policy. It is very important that everyone in SL have the same shared experience, see the same things and see each other mutually the same. And yes, people on non SSA viewers will be gray to the rest of us, effecting our experience negatively. The shared experience is important for the SL economy too which is what keeps SL around for us, in truth there are just dozens of reasons. Unfortunately many users do not understand the value behind them. I’ll point out as a final to this topic, the following page, which documents a system LL is developing and trying to get all TPV’s on board. We don’t need the system because we have our own capability to block versions, but other TPV’s do not and this will give them and LL the ability to keep users on up to date versions. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/TPVD/Viewer_Version_Management

    On your second topic… V1 IS in fact dead. SSA IS killing V1 and Singularity is not really a V1 viewer anymore. In appearance it is, so as far as user perspective it’s V1 but under the hood they have had to hack a lot of v3 code into it to keep it working in SL. And plenty of code they couldn’t merge that they had to write their own version of some of it which has already proven itself problematic to them like the HTTP work. They only JUST managed to get Media on a Prim working, they don’t have phys mesh uploading or support for pathfinding among other things. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m not dissing Singularity or any other, in fact I respect them for managing to accomplish what they have so far. They have already beaten my expectations by a long shot as I didn’t expect them to last more than a year. My hat is off to them, kudo’s.

    Singularity took a different approach than we did with Phoe. Our approach was to base on a v3 code base and modify the UI. This way new code from LL would merge in easily since we are already on the same base. We would only have to manage maintaining our own changes. Unfortunately for us however, we have a LOT of changes now from the LL viewer so merging still becomes a challenge. Firestorm is a clusterf*ck of options, features, customization and functionality, far more than any other viewer ever. Singularity however, chose to remain based on v1 but back port v3 code to keep it compatible. But as it turned out, and for the same reason we didn’t take that route, they ended up pulling a LOT of v3 code, and from where I am sitting, they have more V3 in them now than v1. I also know this has been an incredible strain on their team and an enormous amount of work. I am still 100% confident that our approach is the most sensible and maintainable long term. Time will tell who’s approach was best.

    Jessica Lyon

    August 16, 2013

  • This is forcing people to go into debt to buy newer computers. I have one that is only 1 year old and is a gamer computer. However, it does not handle well all these updates and changes. I don’t know how much I’ll be able to hang around. We need to be thinking of those who are on a fixed income, yet they still support SL. What happens to them? My daughter has a $1,000.00 computer. It’s not handling all the changes at all. So what do we do about them? Just toss them away as if they don’t exist? They are paying SL residents. We also own 2 sims which we will be giving up.

    Lynnie Michigan

    August 17, 2013

  • I find it very odd that people claim to have problems with FS, stating that they have brand new computers that can’t hack it. I’ve run it on both brand new and several years old computers here at home with zero issues at all. In fact with recent updates it seems to run better than before.

    As far as the options and ‘can’t find this/that’, if you bother to play around with things, or maybe take one of the short classes that I’ve seen offered, I find it the best of viewers that I’ve used.

    I, for one, thank the team for making one of the best viewers out there, for FREE. Thank you Folks!

    Silverjak

    August 18, 2013

  • If you truly have a gaming computer that is no more than a year old and you can’t run either FS or the LL viewer, then the problem is not the computer or the viewer, it is you. My computer is twice that age and about 1/4th of the cost and, because i know what I am doing, both FS, and any other viewer i choose to run function swimmingly. By that I mean 3-40 fps with settings on ultra. SSA is LESS taxing on your computer, not more…that is the whole point of it. Maybe SL is just not for you? I mean, if my experience in here was a horrible as what you describe, i would not be here. But SL is moving forward, with you or without you, and you should bloody well be thankful that people like the FS development team are providing you with a highly stable viewer…..for free.

    Soda Sullivan

    August 19, 2013

  • Saying that CHUI is coming to FS is probably going to confuse a lot of users since, as pointed out at the meeting, most of the changes are under the hood with the refactoring instead of the end user experience and UI.

    Karl Kohnegan

    August 13, 2013

  • Actually there is something very important to me that is being added there- the way conversations are logged is changing, as well as changes to how in world communication is performed and the ability to add people to existing conversations is incredibly important. They may be nothing in the way of UI but improving communications is key to making using SL actually useful as compared to using web services to interact with people that also use SL.

    DoomRater

    August 14, 2013

  • Only if they actually implement these things in the mishmash of the LL implementation with the old FS communication system they are keeping. As said at the meeting, there is not going to be much noticeable difference to the end user.

    Karl Kohnegan

    August 17, 2013

  • [...] Q&A – Don’t be surprised.. Be Informed!!! [...]

  • I understand wanting users to update but blocking us and forcing us to? Sorry, all I can say is if that’s what you’re going to do, then I hope there’s no repeat of CPU issues or other things that make running a newer version impossible. I’m on 4.4.2 now obviously, but for a long time I was unable to update because new versions were using 100% of my CPU for still unknown reasons. None of the normal troubleshooting worked. There was something else going on that I never figured out. (Found some threads pertaining to other issues on LL’s JIRA that might have been the cause.) But this problem took SEVERAL versions to disappear. So I’d rather not be forced to update if said three newer versions had a serious issue like that. I’d reconsider that policy. It might effectively force users to stop using SL when issues go unfixed for long periods of time. LL might break something that isn’t even your faults, and then not fix it for longer than that.

    Cain

    August 13, 2013

  • Honestly, not trying to sound “stern” or “this isn’t fair!” about it. Just saying, in case of confusing or unforeseen technical difficulties it does kinda concern me a bit. Been on SL and the computer for long enough to know there’s never gonna be an end to technical issues, in SL, or in programs in general. Too many variables to be able to say “(insert issue) or anything like it will never happen again.”

    Cain

    August 13, 2013

  • Given the mass confusion that constantly arises because of the plentitude of viewer versions, it’s way overdue and 3 versions back is a very long stretch with FS’s normal release schedule.

    There’s a constant flood of questions, rants, and complaints about stuff that’s long since been changed/fixed in later versions from people who either forget or for whatever contrived reason (like you) to upgrade.

    Iala

    August 14, 2013

  • Cute but ignorant. My concern stands and hopefully Jessica read it. Because it’s people like her who are no doubt -aware- of these issues who read it. Not people like who at a lack of an ability to understand my post, simply made up a clueless retort. Please don’t try to blur concerned feedback with foolish commentary like that. It doesn’t help.

    Cain

    August 18, 2013

  • It would be nicer if you provide an explanation of all those acronyms. Half way of the reading you realize you’re not understanding anything. Anyway, since I can’t be informed, I hope the surprises will be good.

    Koko Carlucci

    August 13, 2013

  • CHUI- Chat Hub User Interface (new chat layout)
    SSA-Server Side Appearance (LL renders avatars instead of your viewer)
    OTR- Off The record (for Instant messages, a type of encryption)

    Serith

    August 14, 2013

  • [...] was a Questions & Answers meeting with the Firestorm team last week. Inara Pey has a transcript (edited for clarity) on her blog, [...]

  • [...] Today Jessica Lyon posted on the Firestorm blog about Saturday’s 3 hour Q & A meeting. See: Q&A – Don’t be surprised… be informed. [...]

    Firestorm Blocking Update

    August 13, 2013

  • Please dear god, if your bringing in CHUI please dont remove the local chat bar, i tried using LL official viewer a few days ago and fuuuu it was annoying having to pop open a window every time i wanted to chat into local. Honestly if you remove the local chat bar im not using fs anymore, please dont do a LL and ruin it.

    darkchie

    August 14, 2013

  • Please note, that the video was recorded using the latest version of Firestorm available to compile on code repository. And it still has local chat bar, as you may see.

    Chakat Northspring

    August 14, 2013

  • I agree – I can’t get the chat to work right on any of the other viewers now – PLEASE don’t remove the local chat bar!

    julienn

    August 15, 2013

  • I’ve been reading the blog transcript and got to the part about skins and each skin having it’s own bugs etc….sounds like a nightmare for the Development team. At the time, the skins were an added bonus, but with all the new development, I’m wondering why not have one really good working skin, instead of giving so many choices, and creating more headaches for the Devs and Support at this critical time?
    I personally am very happy with the Firestorm Grey skin…it’s UI is clean, unobtrusive, user friendly and comes with plenty of options in Preferences to turn features on or off.

    Chelsea Louloudi

    August 14, 2013

  • Chelsea, – there are people with vision problems in SL, and for them, the lightest skin possible would be the best, like the silver (I can’t remember the exact name), Sadly the silver from Phoenix is not available on Firestorm. They tried to call the new one in FS a similar name, but it’s not the same by a long shot. I have used the silver skin since I came into SL 3 yrs. ago, simply because I like it. Who would have the pick over which skin is the one and only? If they can fix or debug one skin, then do the same for 4-5 skins. I’m sorry Chelsea, but I hope your suggestion for one skin is not in our future.

    Erin Sleydon

    August 15, 2013

  • You may want to try StarLight Silver Blue skin in Firestorm.

    Chakat Northspring

    August 17, 2013

  • [...] questions on whether this block applies to Phoenix or or, Jessica has provided an answer on the Firestorm blog, as has Kadah Coba in a comment here. In short: while no decision has been taken with Phoenix, [...]

  • I fraking hate that BS CHUI it was made by people at linden that don’t actually use SL much less know what works and what does not and simply think woo that sounds good on paper lets do it…… If you realy must add this god awefull CHUI I hope you at least give us the option to turn that crap of and revert to the current setup

    EQINOX

    August 14, 2013

  • Guess i’ll add my 2 cents to this. not that its going to matter.
    Being a builder Phoenix was truly awesome. Really don’t understand all the changes in terms and placements on the screen. Almost have to relearn most of everything is here.
    I will hand it to you about avatars rezzing (great improvement
    but all of this just for that??
    Its been hell thanks to the firestorm team.
    Also you ppl have an attitude problem…you don’t pay me to be here I PAY YOU.
    So keep it up and i’ll take my $500 a month elsewhere.
    Yours (for now)
    Dro Millar

    Dro Millar

    August 14, 2013

  • Dro, you’re not paying the Firestorm team diddly. We’re volunteers. We get nothing out of this but satisfaction and a viewer that, in our humble opinion, Fails to Suck™. You may have a complaint to raise with LL about the service, but LL is not repsonsible for Firestorm.

    Tonya Souther

    August 16, 2013

  • Have you not understood a single thing that’s been said here? You did not pay anything whatsoever to use the viewer, or indeed any computer-based viewer. The Firestorm team don’t make one single penny from this, nor do the other TPVs. They are all volunteers, who give their time & effort for … FREE !
    Your financial investment, if any, is with Linden Lab; they provide the playground & the tools to play in it. Firestorm is a fork of their code.
    You are, of course, most welcome to a refund of everything you paid to use Firestorm – nothing – just leave your address by the door on your way out.

    Norton Burns

    August 16, 2013

  • Dro – ypou pay nothing for Firestorm (nor did oyu for Phoenix) the Lindens oyu pay go to LL.. Firestorm viewer and the support you get for it is *FREE*

    FreeSpirit

    August 16, 2013

  • LOL!!! “Gimme my money back!”

    Sinead McMillan

    August 18, 2013

  • have to agree with koko. but even the reblog/transcript didn’t define the acronyms. had to go down into the transcript to find out.

    but, big question… forced updates.
    as a total luddite who stuck to using the cool 1.23 viewer until… yeah, even after mesh first came to sl… i find this thought disturbing.

    i see in the transcript the main reason put forth was not actually customer support, but because customers of builders couldn’t see things properly. i can sympathize, but i don’t see why that’s firestorm’s concern. shouldn’t the builder tell them they need an updated viewer?

    some thoughts on possible alternate solutions…
    1: firestorm for dummies. it automatically updates when a new release is out. if you’re an advanced user/builder, you can opt-out of automatic updates.

    um, i guess that was it. or a secret code/handshake for people who like to build on the ancient phoenix to be able to get in? i dunno.

    bloodsong

    August 14, 2013

  • there are many 3d chats site out there loads of them and if people do not like the new firestorm etc., etc., and not having choice maybe they my move to another chat site this happened to worlds.com and wow a mass exedos happened. now its dead so maybe if the powers that be had listened maybe a compromise could be made and surely 28,000 people on phoenix are not wrong imagine them all leaving phews.

    Petula

    August 14, 2013

  • I see with sorrow, you Firestormmakers ace making the Viewer LindenLab-Like. Wich is the biggest crap in world.
    Even Singularity is better.
    FS in Phoenix-Mode is at Limit of torllerable, although PÜhoenix was better.
    What devil made you change?

    Anjin Mcmahon

    August 14, 2013

  • Hello. I understand the Firestorm team works very hard to make stable and fast viewers. It’s why Firestorm is so popular! And I greatly respect you all for what you do. Thank you. … Please reconsider blocking older viewers. I want to tell you why I use them, I am a blogger. I am using a MacPro. Firestorm 3.3 was the last version that let me take high resolution quality pictures without instantly crashing for just turning on the shadow button. I NEED to use Firestorm 3.3 even it it does not have SSB because I can at least continue on with my blog work and photograph myself. The current official has finally fixed the shadow bug on the Mac, but any image over 2000x 2000 with shadows will crash. The Official viewer also has texture thrashing, and focus then blurry texture issues (A JIRA has been filed). Firestorm on the other hand, has not able to take pictures with shadows since version 4. Right now I use 3 viewers to survive: Materials Project Viewer is the most stable of the current official viewers for the Mac but it also has tons of bugs like loosing inventory and texture thrashing on some servers. Firestorm 3.3 is my main workhorse. But when I need to quickly get the news and blog a crowded laggy event without crashing, my secret weapon is Phoenix 1.6. As a blogger, I NEED to use Phoenix occasionally because there is simply no other browser that’s faster and more stable. Please reconsider blocking older viewers. Also, Phoenix has some tools that no other viewer has, such has export your exact avatar shape as Obj. This is very valuable to clothing makers. I think perhaps it’s overkill to force people to give up their tools. Most people will naturally migrate to the current viewer. This has alreayd been proven with Mesh adaption. .. Thank you for listening.

    DevinVaughn

    August 14, 2013

  • Look, FS works really well on my system, but the only problem is, when I buld, the selected prim goes trans, which is a terrible error, since one cant align the prims well by eye. This seriously needs to be addressed in future releases.

    M Richter

    August 14, 2013

  • Advanced Menu/Highlighting & Visibility – uncheck Hide selected [a pref which is not on by default, so you must have at some time set it]

    Norton Burns

    August 16, 2013

  • Advanced menu> highlighting and visibility -uncheck ‘hide selected’

    FreeSpirit

    August 16, 2013

  • Cool! Great tip! Having a selected prim go transparent on me has been driving me nuts! I must have clicked the wrong thing in Advanced one day. I don’t do much building, but when I do this has been terribly annoying. Off to fix it now! Thanks!

    sandy preis

    August 16, 2013

  • I am sure CHUI will scare away most users if its mandatory, I will be one of them for sure. Will CHUI be optional? Will the horizontal tabbed design and chatbar still be available? o_O

    Amelie Sawson

    August 14, 2013

  • It is not going to look like LL’s CHUI in FS – rest assured.. how it looks now will change very little in FS

    FreeSpirit

    August 16, 2013

  • It is your project and LL rules but please always be mindful that we all have a strong emotional investment in SL and if you drop Pheonix you make SL in accessible to thousands of our friends. I am fortunate that I have just upgraded to a new machine for development purposes, that should be able to run at least 4 instances of anything you throw at us, but many of my friends can’t afford new hardware.

    may I also suggest that you post an executive summary post for the non technical readers, a 3 hour video of acronyms is not helping to educate anyone, it just courses rumours, fear and doubt to be spread in the community.

    very kynes

    August 14, 2013

  • Since Phoenix is one of the standards for InWorldz, will it only be blocked on the SL Grid?

    Bobbie Faulds

    August 14, 2013

  • Okay, really people? You should not be complaining about viewer updates being blocked. Play ANY OTHER Online game, and you will see that users are always required to update to the latest version to be able to connect. There are many technical reasons for this. It is not because the devs are elitist bastards.

    If your PC can’t handle Firestorm, then you need to stop buying computers with terrible graphics cards (e.g. Intel Graphics laptops) and underpowered processors. SL requires a gaming system to run decently, not a bottom of the barrel Wal*Mart laptop.

    V

    August 15, 2013

  • when are you going to have a app for cell phones to play sl

    kitty

    August 15, 2013

  • I usually don’t say anything in this blog, but I have to this time as I read you are thinking of or are going to block the older versions of your viewer. I feel sad about this as I will lose the ability to see and hear from some of my friends, I know you feel you have to take the hard stand and force ppl to migrate to the new viewer, but there are friends of mine that can not run the new viewer because their computers are not able to comply with the needs of this viewer. There are many ppl in SL that are either disabled and or do not have the money to put into a new computer and this Second Life is their only connection to the real world. By blocking the older versions you have decided to take away their connection to this Life. I am sorry ………..

    Ladyorchid Darkfury

    August 15, 2013

  • OGPNC = Oh God Please No Chui!

    Alobar Valeska

    August 15, 2013

  • I agree with the aforementioned comment on acronyms. I have acronymophobia I caught this while working at Microsoft. I’m a software engineer so not ignorant of techie shit but…Cameron’s Law is: There is and inverse relationship between the use of acronyms and intelligibility.

    Cameron Farella

    August 15, 2013

  • CHUI is coming to Firestorm.
    What is CHUI?
    Materials is coming to Firestorm.
    What are Materials is this like something from Maya?
    Server side appearance progress.
    What progress and if progress how does lack of progress affect the user experience?
    OTR… The myths and the facts, and yes it’s coming to Firestorm.
    What is OTR…
    In summary if you just used a micro tweet of info in
    this blog I would not have to read something I’m not going to anyway. I love Firestorm I liked Phoenix I hate Lindens viewer but I use it when Firestorm is not working it usually crashes less and renders faster but doing anything is like building a Rube Goldberg machine with popsicle sticks and no glue.

    Cameron Farella

    August 15, 2013

  • would you be clear with the bridge use please ?

    All peoples i’ve questionned about it says the same things that do not convince me… It help to position an avatar on a sim but in what mesure that do better than others ? When i study the lsl script of the bridge, it speak about ao, collar but nothing about positionning. I’ve seen too that firestorm run in the same conditions without it. So what is the exact way of the bridge ?

    fred

    August 15, 2013

  • What if you use the LL viewer for it’s rendering abilities, removing it’s UI completely, or hiding it and covering it up, and you use your own UI over it, like an extra layer or something like that. It will take commands and display what needs to display, inventory, previews, chats, buttons and menus of course, but independent of the underlying viewer, and maybe using another thread of CPU completely.

    I know LL is supposed to have the rendering engine separated from the UI in the first place, and I know it’s their lack of development (read: fault) that the viewer is poorly threaded (sorry you all 8 core people thinking slow performance comes from the viewer since you see 13% CPU usage).

    Virtualban Alex

    August 15, 2013

  • Independent UI, Radegast style, would not only allow for a consistent and controlled experience independent of LL changes, but also off screen windows for chats, profiles, uploads, etc.

    It could even work on extreme conditions, for old computers, such as having the main window 320×240 just to have a presence, and the rest of the interaction taking place off screen.

    Virtualban Alex

    August 15, 2013

  • Old computers, or, abuse of office hours computers… :P :P

    Virtualban Alex

    August 15, 2013

  • It would be great if the UI code was separate from the rest of it. It’s not. If it was, we’d have been able to do a lot more, a lot faster.

    Tonya Souther

    August 16, 2013

  • I have a question, but I need to give a little background before I ask. when I moved to the new viewer, I saw that there were a lot of graphic driver crashes. I thought that maybe it was just me and my PC was a POS. As it turns out, that is not the case. My SL partner, one of my best friends and a few others I know have been having the same issues. The graphics drivers will randomly stop responding and crash. What is causing this and will it be fixed in the new update? I never had this issue when i was using the old firestorm.

    deviantdollie Resident

    August 15, 2013

  • This is just my personal experience, and i use an Nvidia card btw, but i have learned that the latest driver is not ALWAYS the best graphics driver for SL. If i havea problem with my card, i usually go back one driver version and that fixes it.

    Soda Sullivan

    August 19, 2013

  • Blocking us from using older versions but failing to fix this issues that cause us to have to use older versions is a big mistake.

    I have issues plugging in earphones with the newest viewer, not to mention I crashes upon taking pictures, or gives me blank black pictures.

    There are MAC users out there you know, and while you are developing a viewer that works best on a PC you fail to take the time to address real concerns for MAC users. If I am blocked from using a version of Firestorm that actually works for my needs as a designer, photographer, and performer in SL, it will be the last time I will use firestorm, I wont update I will just find something that works better and it wont be your releases.

    I mean, geesh, the whole idea behind creating this sort of this is to provide people with alternative means to log into sl, but by you choosing to block people that dont use the version you prefer, you are pretty much making yourself into an oxymoron.

    Josiah Lee

    August 15, 2013

  • crash on plugging headphones was not a FS bug, not even really a LL bug, but the underlying audio architecture, FMod, at fault.
    Next version will have FModEx, bug will be gone.

    Norton Burns

    August 18, 2013

  • Personally, I like the phoenix version of firestorm. I hope that stays because I really hate viewer 3…with a passion.

    SkyeRyder Varriale

    August 15, 2013

  • I wonder, for example if for materials, it be ‘software’ based or if we finally are using the cuda / opengl options to do this by hardware. As seems we add more and more, and it more and more be done software wise causing more and more lag and degradation of frame rate. Not saying i would not want it; but if more and more futures come with out an option to even use a high end machine it starts to become abandon to even add. As lo end machines cant handle it anyway. Just my two cents. Mean look at Second life… PhyX support: None, SLI support: None and a lot more that would greatly upgrade user experience.

    Jara

    August 15, 2013

  • Firestorm would be nicer if it were 50 percent lighter on local resources and did not glitch with ATI drivers in Linux. My current machine is an outdated laptop with minimal resources. I will be using a dual cpu workstation with three dual-gpu ati cards configured independently. I do like that FS now remembers most of the user settings between updates, so there is less post-update configuration. I hope that Firestorm lasts at least as long as Phoenix did. I realli loved using Phoenix viewer for building as it was more stable and lighter “feel” on local resources with a minimal, outdated laptop having only 128 Mb graphical memory. I am also curious if removing excess skins that I never use would brick the viewer.

    Mick Scarbridge

    August 15, 2013

  • all that is fine and dandy enhancing our in world experience around us, but what about the avatars. Why has nothing ever been done about how crude they have remained since the very beginning. A female should be able to expand her breasts with out them looking like a spiked out nightmare. Why can’t they look as smooth as a beach balls? lol Same with men If we want to look extremely portly we should be able to do so with out having body spikes all over, or even just bulking ourselves up. Our avatars need to be enhanced also along with new bells and whistles that come out. Who wants to look like the same mesh bought avatar standing right next to us? I know I don’t. Are there any plans to enhance our avatars at all?

    Tom

    August 15, 2013

  • Tom, that’s something LL will have to address. It’s indeed annoying, but it’s a major update that would, if not done carefully, break every clothing item you own, to take one example.

    We can’t address that in just one viewer. Not only would it make everyone’s SL look different, it would violate the Third Party Viewer Policy.

    Tonya Souther

    August 16, 2013

  • You need to address that to LL not the FS team

    FreeSpirit

    August 16, 2013

  • You block Phoenix viewer completely you will lose my whole family. That is a total of 6 family members that are in game . You need to stop trying to better yourself with these viewers . cause down the road 2nd life is going to be history cause I have seen other programs that is starting out that is the same as 2nd life but much nicer and friendlier then linden labs is. When a issue of report comes to them they address it right then and there. You don’t have to wait months for action to be taken. I have to agreed with the one person that said why no one likes you . Cause you trying to move up to fast it isn’t going to work . Not only you will lose viewers , Linden Labs will lose paying members as well. You all need to really think does linden labs want to lose that many paying members because you all want to change things again ?

    kevin Banks

    August 15, 2013

  • CHUI? Materials? OTR?

    Where are definitions for these things?

    Jeff

    August 15, 2013

  • CHUI- Chat Hub User Interface, its a new chat system
    Materials: Its a new type of object that has depth
    OTF: off the record. pheonix used to have it, its like an encryption for IMs

    Serith

    August 16, 2013

  • so i bought a Buick … and i liked the car i bought … and then next day i went out to find that somebody totally redid the interior … with new buttons and bells and whistles i didn’t want or need …. so what happened to the car i liked and bought? someone thought i would like the newer version better? no…. wrong …. just because you can do it … doesn’t mean you should. your masturbation is OK with me … but why do you think i will like it? or need it or want it?
    get it?

    zaq jVoir

    August 15, 2013

  • the problem with that comparison is that you did not spend a penny for firestorm/phoenix.

    chips

    August 16, 2013

  • ok,
    accept our RANT about the bugs still existing in SL.
    Firestorm SSA was REAL fine for only ONE week, and LL changed server sides.

    BUT
    !!! 100 bugs still existing in SL !!! you & LL : FIX tis S*** BUGS Now !!! THY :)

    “key points that should catch your attention.

    CHUI is coming to Firestorm.
    Materials is coming to Firestorm.
    Server side appearance progress.
    OTR… The myths and the facts, and yes it’s coming to Firestorm.
    What is coming in the next Firestorm release and what to expect, what not to expect.
    We will begin forcing users to update by blocking old versions of Firestorm. Only the three latest versions will be allowed on the grid at any given time.
    Regularly scheduled Q&As will begin in September.
    Etc., etc.
    Want to know more? ”

    i do NOT use any of it …
    nor a CRAPPy SSA !!!

    bc SL

    August 15, 2013

  • We will begin forcing users to update by blocking old versions of Firestorm.

    OK, tis is BS, fix the 100 bugs in SL First !

    thanks :)

    bc SL

    August 15, 2013

  • Phoenix viewer ist still the BEST

    :)

    bc SL

    August 15, 2013

  • Hah, liek you will have a choice. SSA *will* come to the grid. it is a server-side thing, which means of you use SL you will have to use it.

    Serith

    August 16, 2013

  • too all those that Bitch About SL Knock if off.

    I have my own issues with FS I liked phoenix cus it had some nice things in it for building and at the time FS did not have them. Now it has all but 1 thing that Phoenix had and that was …with the Calling Cards I was able to rename them I kept the normal name but I would add (F) for Female or (M) for male or builder or scripter and even if they ware dragon, wolf, or human , it was a grate way to organize my friends list ..now that FS has come out and don’t have that part…. my calling cards are a mess cuz now I can’t sort them out. PLEASE I do hope FS puts that feature back in so I can sort out my friends all 500+ of them.

    also Phoenix did not crash me that much it was like every 2 or 3 days …but ever since I had no choice to use FS I crash every 20 to 30 minutes and lag all the time witch keeps me from going on SL that much and I hope it will stop doing that soon …I have 1000′s of US $ put in SL and I don’t want to loose all that ….and for any of you …who think I have a bad PC your wrong ……My PC is fine SL and FS is the only problem I have other than that the other 40+ games that need a High End PC I can run fine with no lag or crash …..so get that idea of a bad pc out of your 1 track minds …….

    I would like to Thank the makers of SL and The Viewers for all there hard Work ….I understand the stress you do when programing …..Good Job guys ….I hope things get better in the future

    Your life time User : Dagmarr

    Dagmarr

    August 16, 2013

  • okay, i have a question, i use firestorm, and im always crashing now, my screen goes black, then it comes up as if its a picture, i can see things but cant click or do anything, i switch to phoenix and its perfectly fine with everything. but all the other viewers arent compatible with my computer, what am i going to do? play with crashes every 5 minutes?

    Rain aquitaine Collinwood

    August 17, 2013

  • File a support request at JIRA (our bug tracker): http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/file_a_jira – you’ll get help there faster, than in blog comments.

    Chakat Northspring

    August 18, 2013

  • I would like to thank the team that has made these viewers for the great work they have done. it is a pain at least to some to see phoenix go but we were warned about it. I have been happy enough using firestorm with the phoenix user interface as it is quite close and I thank the team for including that. Phoenix is going it’s not an option one day it will just be gone either cause ll changes enough so it is not worth using or just stops working or the team shuts it off both things have been mentioned as possibilities for quite a while now The firestorm team is working to create the best viewer they can having separate types of viewers to work on one just to old to keep support makes it harder to work on either as they would have to keep switching back and fourth. Firestorm is worth using to me they are doing their best. it’s not there fault or responsibility to fix every error that comes up that’s on linden labs side. hey they don’t have to work on a viewer at all they want to and I think they are doing great.

    waycomp2002

    August 17, 2013

  • This why *I* still use Phoenix for most of my Inworld activities:
    Because with the new generation of Firestorm viewer comes a greater demand in PC system requirements. For the first time it affects my Windows session and how other programs perform. If there’s a choice between some grey people and experiencing SL builds and doing my own building while switching windows or uploading to flickr, promoting an event on social sites or running a graphics prog at the same time, well, you get the idea.

    I spent an extra two days after installing it to tweak and customize so it really did behave more in line with what I do, but bogging down my computer system is unacceptable.

    Holocluck Henly

    August 17, 2013

  • GOD WHAT A MESS LOL

    Dro Millar

    August 17, 2013

  • Please don’t block Phoenix. Like someone else said (albeit in a more obnoxious tone) many of us still use Phoenix. I’m still using it whenever I want to go to group events (fairs and meetings) because Firestorm just chugs on my laptop despite having 8gigs of ram installed on this thing. I also cannot get voice to work on Firestorm, but it works just dandy on Phoenix. I use Phoenix when I want to have a faster, lighter weight client, and I use Firestorm when the load on my computer is lighter. In my experience, Phoenix lags less for me, even in the same settings.

    Siren Says

    August 18, 2013

  • I hope Phoenix won’t be blocked for one simple reason. It’s much better for building. Phoenix reacts much more fluidly to mouse clicks and movements than Firestorm. I have both viewers on my PC. I use Firestorm for “normal” SL use, and I switch to Phoenix whenever I want to build, because it doesn’t matter to me whether avatars rez correctly or not.

    Mike Hood

    August 18, 2013

  • i have a windows 8 system intel corei5 and i find that firestorm crashes a lot on my system even tho i have been using it awhile

    julie

    August 18, 2013

  • There are so many other viewers available, is just a matter of searching on the LL Tpv list, instal and try, trial and error till any founds one that works!

    foneco zuzu (@ZZBottomHL)

    August 18, 2013

  • Just my 2 cents, I hate FS ever since I first tried it, still crashes every hour on me. And I am not going to classes to use any viewer, my ADD kicks in after 2 minutes. Singularity seems much more stable but has too many limitations, and I keep waiting for FS to release an upgrade that makes it work for a change, but I guess we get what we pay for! I appreciate they do this for free but I guess this is as good as it gets then. I for one would PAY for a usable veiwer like Phoenix that doesn’t crash and makes SL enjpyable again, not FS where I am constantly asking where everything is! I mean, I just want to SCREAM but I can’t remember how to, they took my scream/whisper buttons way!

    It’s free…and we got what we pay for!

    SnakeDoc Toxx

    August 18, 2013

  • Actually I crashed more often by using Phoenix than with FS. There are many reasons for which a viewer could crash and the hardware variety is huge, without counting the OS setup etc. So, if it crashes on your computer, it means only that it crashes there; it doesn’t mean that the viewer is a crashy one in absolute terms: in fact stats shows that FS is the more stable among the viewers.
    As for asking where things are, well, I had the same problem with Phoenix, if not worse. Exploring and learning the new menu was a matter of few minutes though. Hunting for options was a less nice experience and I think that the preference window could be organized a bit better, maybe. Or they could add a search function, similar to those that could be found in other software.
    Also I don’t think we got what we paid (zero, since it is free?): although FS can be improved, it is very good, for a SL viewer and misses almost no features (just materials now). Moreover several issues in FS come from LL V3. Furthermore the FS team is the only one trying to please most tastes as possible and listening the users. It has a cost, but if it is the most used viewer in SL it is for a reason…

    Destiny Wizard

    August 19, 2013

  • Everyone bitching needs to remember:

    - LL is gonna kill V1 eventually
    - Phoenix is FREE
    - Firestorm is FREE
    - Singularity is FREE

    so.. anyone that would “pay” for a viewer… form a team.. get a couple hundred thousand dollars together.. and fund one..

    or just STFU.

    Steverino Brando

    August 18, 2013

  • Latest viewer is total sh1t. Just grabbed latest Firestorm and I cannot even move FFS! The move keys on keyboard only type into chat now. So frustrating.

    Dan

    August 19, 2013

  • Ashen Karas

    August 19, 2013

  • Too funny XD

    I’m not in secondlife anymore but in Little Field grid.
    Firestorm always worked for me, never had major issues and when i had some i just filed the jira, helped as much as I could with the info and wait for a next release/workaround/new trick that solved it.
    My computer is aging now, but I can use Firestorm perfectly.
    Thank you FS team. You rock guys.

    Aaack

    August 21, 2013

  • Hmm… SSA, CHUI, OTR, Materials and viewer blocking, a lot of stuff that’s coming and a lot of work that has to be done.

    “Don’t be surprised.. Be informed!” :-) What I was most surprised about was to realize that my first source of SL viewer related information is called Firestorm and no longer Linden Lab.

    Further I was surprised to realize how much of what’s coming in the future is just around the corner ready to be previewed with Linden Lab viewers on some regions or the Preview grid.

    But I’m also sceptical as usual. What’s coming soon and certainly is expected by many with excitement has its trade-off. New bugs, decreasing stability and a new loss of performance will be the tribute we have to toll. I’m mentally prepared for this and hope others are too. I’ve seen the CHUI and I’m sure you can do it much better. I’ve worked with material and have seen the trippled load for textures.

    This directly leads to viewer blocking. While I can see a necessity to block non SSA conformant viewers, I think in general the decission to upgrade should be up to the user whenever possibe.

    Several people I know with better computers than I have suffer from crashes and performance issues. Some of them currently would love to go back to a version prior to SSA support and are not happy of having been forced into an upgrade before things get fixed and are stable enough for them. Personally I had more than one situation where three releases in between were not enough to get the next version that was stable enough for me to accept.

    Shy Robbiani

    August 19, 2013

  • ” Several people I know with better computers than I have suffer from crashes and performance issues. Some of them currently would love to go back to a version prior to SSA support and are not happy of having been forced into an upgrade before things get fixed and are stable enough for them. ”

    agreed fully

    Yay for LL for a the Service AND SSA (Server side appearance)
    tested = EpiC FAIL today !

    bc SL

    August 20, 2013

  • [...] put aside the supposed dark machinations of Linden Lab and turn instead to the entirely separate hoohah that’s blowing up over at Firestorm. Bizarrely, despite the fact that both the Lab and [...]

  • Firestorm and all the people who work on it for our benefit – ROCK! thanks so very much

    krista

    August 22, 2013

  • Wow.Is it me or do some ppl have some issues? Ive been on SL for may years. I started on an old desktop that i’ve had since 2003. Worked fine. I’m not the sharpest tool and da shed, as they say here in Ga. but I’m cute and sweet. LOL I jumped into SL feet first from day one and have such a wonderful time. I didn’t like the SL viewer and soon began testing every one of the ones available.Liked different ones for different reasons but found Phoenix was the bomb.Back 2 yrs ago got laptop Dell Inspiron.Was used, spent $200.Swtiched to F.S. at that time.Tickles me I can load my own ao too. : ) I play whatever I want on it and SL is just ducky with it. Loaded the 4.4. Firestone and LOVE it!!! Tickles me I can load my own ao too. : ) As several ppl have mentioned..IT IS FREE! Support is always there. Technology is going to march and and fight as you may…will take you with it if you just pick up your feet. Jeeze! Sound like my cranky gramma talking about how fake the landing on the moon was and that FBI director Hoover wasn’t gay.
    Thank you to all the wonderful ppl behind this wonderful project! All your hard work has made my life on SL wonderful.Look forward to everything you do.
    Thank you,
    Finn Tryce

    Finn

    September 1, 2013

  • […] announced on a number of occasions through the Firestorm blog, through Firestorm user meetings and Q&A sessions, and which has been repeated through various blogs, including […]

  • The interface of FS v4.4.0.33720 (Linux, 32-bit) seems to have a slight glitch in the non pie chart menu system where I right click something in-world and must often move my camera up in order to select the object again so that I may view the full set of options. The menu sometimes hides underneath the main menu bar and favorite landmarks. Is there any way to correct this so the context menus do not slip under the viewer’s main menu bar at the top, by relocating the opened menus to somewhere within the four viewer borders?

    Thank you in advance,
    -Mick Scarbridge

    Mick Scarbridge

    January 16, 2014

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