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Firestorm Fund Raising

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Firestorm in Need of Funding

The Phoenix Firestorm Project is now in its sixth year with a team of over 80 volunteers providing development, quality assurance, management, support in 10 languages and now marketing to bring new users into Second Life, increase the overall population and improve the new user experience. Only once in the past did we find ourselves in need of financial support, when we needed to cover some of our startup costs in the very beginning. Since then, we have managed to afford our ongoing operating expenses by way of Google Adsense and the Linden AdBuy program. We rent two servers for hosting our website, JIRA, wiki, and downloads, and we are responsible for various licensing expenses like digital certificate code signing, Kakadu software, etc.

We have practiced a rule of declining the countless generous offers of donations we have received from you, our users, over the years for many reasons. First, we’ve managed to stay in the black. Second, I have a personal aversion to accepting charity. Third, we’ve wanted to avoid sending the message that donating to the project would entitle the donor to any kind of special advantages from a support or development perspective; we consider all of our users and their needs to be equally important, and that will not change.

However, these operating expenses have, like everything monetary, increased over time, while Adsense revenue has decreased with less traffic to our site. What’s more, the exchange rate from Mens Ad RegularUS dollars to Canadian (where I live and pay our bills from) has taken a turn towards the horrendous. For quite a while now we have been operating in the red, and I’ve made up for it out-of-pocket in hopes that things might pick up again. Unfortunately, though, we are approaching the renewal for our Kakadu license, and though I’m not permitted to say how much it costs us, I can say that it is, by a very big margin, our largest annual expense. Kakadu, or KDU, helps improve rendering performance and reliability significantly enough that we feel it is worth the price (for those familiar with how a codec works for videos, it’s kind of like that). Last year we had the help of OnLive, which covered half that expense, but we don’t have that now. We also hope to raise some revenue to put towards marketing in hopes of attracting new users into Second Life and keeping them.

This project was founded on the principle of giving, not taking, but a time has come where we are in need of funds. We will be placing a small Google Adsense advertisement on our login splash screen. But more excitingly…!!!

Limited-edition Firestorm-branded his-and-hers leather jackets!

I have been busily trying to learn how to create a line of clothing we can offer our donors as a thank you for your donations. We are starting out with these jackets, though, which will be sold on SL Marketplace in tiers based on what you are willing or able to donate. In tiers of L$250, L$500 and Womans Dakota RegularL$1000 you will receive the Tier One Jacket with our logo on the back. Then there are Bronze, Silver and Gold Tier Jackets for backing levels of L$5,000, L$10,000 and L$25,000. I expect we won’t sell many of those, so the few who buy them will really stand out as our biggest supporters. The jackets are rigged mesh, have a color change HUD and come in all the standard sizes. You will be able to read more details and purchase them from our Marketplace store here.

FIRESTORM STORE https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/92041

For the sake of transparency I will be happy to provide a summary of our monthly revenue on request; just drop me an email. If you would rather provide a donation without a purchase, we have placed a tip jar in the Firestorm Gateway Event Space SLURL

On behalf of the Firestorm Team, thank you for your generous support!

Sincerely,

Jessica Lyon
Project Manager
The Phoenix Firestorm Project, Inc.

  • I would have no objections to setting up a recurring PayPal payment. After all, I would only need one jacket and I would much rather keep Firestorm up and running and being updated.

    Something to consider

    FauxyLauxy.Resident

    January 30, 2016

  • Try crowd funding.

    Winter

    January 30, 2016

  • Glad to become a “Bronzie” to help out!

    LatexAfficianado

    January 30, 2016

  • Just a suggestion – if you can, put these jackets on the Kitely Market for opensimmers to buy, with export perms. You can sell it in USD to your paypal account. Typically a nice jacket like that will go for 2 USD each. You will need to register a Kitely account to do this, but you do not need to purchase any sims there (free account). There is a Kitely Merchant Sandbox sim where you can rez items. Then we can support you too. Many of us don’t log in to SL anymore.

    Brayla Sana

    January 30, 2016

  • I agree with Brayla Sana. You definitely should place the Jacket and any other related items in the Kitely Market where folks across various Opensimulator grids can purchase it for use in Kitely or export to their specific grid. (https://www.kitely.com/market)

    If you have any concerns, check out this recent Hypergrid Business article by Maria Korolov, “Top Kitely merchant goes all-export, sees no hypergrid ‘bootlegging’”
    (http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2016/01/top-kitely-merchant-goes-all-export-sees-no-hypergrid-bootlegging/)

    Avatars:
    SarVana Haalan (Second Life)
    Sally Cherry (Kitely)

    Sally Cherry

    January 30, 2016

  • What Brayla said. OpenSim users LOVE Firestorm! We want to support you too.

    Serene Jewell

    January 31, 2016

  • Thanks for the great jacket and the chance to help a bit with your ongoing efforts to keep us playing!
    Tin

    Tin Piek

    January 30, 2016

  • i dont think pushign adverts into a viewer is a good way to go, many people including myselsef block adverts any way posible, and probably would never click them due to collection of data such companies use, its wrong on its own level and im sad to hear it woudl be implimented on a viewer. if this need is only temp, then it may work, but for longer term id vote for a premium and std versin viewer (std being current standard viewer, with premium being a smal cost, peraps monthly, that has better features, or advanced options as such a viewwer would appieal more to seseoned users.. and hipsters.. lots of hipsters. but failing this, would rathe rmake a good donation to kkeep vewer ad free, and the ad companies out of my busness as i ensure happens else were!

    Tazzy Rozenberg

    January 30, 2016

  • Jessica:
    you have my support , bought bronze jacket in marketplace best I could do , Endora

    EndoraMcAndrewsII

    January 30, 2016

  • You should have a fund me thingies or a subscription type donation. You guys have put a lot of effort in for years and i would absolutely be willing to help out with a donation or subscription type thing.

    Jini

    January 30, 2016

  • Hi there Jessica
    Sorry to here this new’s / however I must agree with Brayla Sana and her suggestion about using the Kitely Mapket Place and also the Avination Market Place / the reason being that personally myself I only spend about 30 minutes a month in SecondLife any more and that’s only to check up on a 2048m parcel of land I maintain for a friend as opposed to about 150 hours or more per month in Open Sim / as Brayla mentioned most of the old timers simply don’t care about what happens to SL any longer 🙁

    JayR Cela

    JayR Cela

    January 30, 2016

  • It might be an idea to remove the reference to clicking on your Adsense adverts as Google can take a dim view of this and may ban you.

    Lusus

    January 30, 2016

  • Geez I do hope this doesn’t mean there may be a chance in the future, if operating in the red continues, that there could be a chance of Firestorm ceasing to exist.

    Loleeta Lennie

    January 30, 2016

  • I would rather make a donation through pay pal or why not consider what Wikipedia does at year end. They ask for contributions from their users. I’m always happy to contribute. I’ll buy a jacket of course.

    Acacia Merlin

    January 30, 2016

  • Well, sadly you don’t have a PayPal account, maybe this would be a good idea.
    I’m using Firestorm and taking it’s advantages for long time now, that’s entitlement enough for me. I’d like to donate to the project directly for using this great software

    Regards
    Gwador Merlin

    Gwador Merlin

    January 30, 2016

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  • Being one that usually mouths off about less proper “things”, in MHO, about Firestorm, I’ll buy a jacket and drop a tip, only because if you go…I’ll have none to mouth off against… 🙂

    xaka chayoo

    January 30, 2016

  • put you paypal donate link everywhere
    iv yet to find it in one place.

    Karl Baryl

    January 30, 2016

  • I don’t keep enough L$ in my account to make a worthwhile contribution. I would gladly send a donation via PayPal – why not make this possible?

    Moss Hastings

    January 30, 2016

  • just now the marketplace page is empty. About one hour ago it was o.k.

    Taro Firanelli

    January 30, 2016

  • Hi Jessica,
    Seanchai Libraries operates in SL, Inworldz, and the Opensim through Kitely. Kitely Market is quickly becoming the defacto store for opensim and all the hypergrid as it can deliver anywhere. FS has always been very supportive of the opesim and alternate grid commununities. Let us help support you now. I echo other comments here, and strongly suggest inclusion of the Kitely Market in your plans. Either way, I personally, will definitely contribute to your cause. Lov you guys! Thanks for everything you do!

    Shandon Loring

    January 30, 2016

  • You got my support Jessica!!
    Gives my new jacket the once over 🙂 L$500 is a tiny price to lay for the great work you all do for us all.

    Feliciana Zabaleta

    January 30, 2016

  • Marketplace page shows fine for me as of now.
    Paypal take a significant cut of any payment made.
    But you can easily set up your SL account to have Paypal as the default payment method. Then just buy lindens through your viewer and
    then pay the bird at the Firestorm Gateway or buy at Marketplace.

    karenjane walworth

    January 30, 2016

  • Hi, I have been saying for years I did not know why you did not promote in a way that made you money. There are blogs people go to for fashion information that sell advertising to events and stores and people pay thousands of L’s a month to do that, you have probably more traffic overall than those blogsites could promise, and it would be in the community spirit intended. It would not be the same as adsense in the case of I would not need to click the ad, but be reminded while here to go visit __________ event and so on. There is definitely a way to make a few hundred USD a month easily from that, and I can think of many stores that would jump on it, just to show support as well.

    Consider selling adspace on your sidebars and if you do please announce that you do so that people can buy up a storm (pun intended)

    Sasy Scarborough

    Sasy Scarborough

    January 30, 2016

  • I’ll likely get at least one of the lower cost jackets which is about all I can afford currently. If you need to have some ongoing income for the project, it might also be worthwhile to consider a Patreon account. The one issue I foresee might be actually making way more than you need which could become awkward.

    Crim Mip

    January 30, 2016

  • I don’t mind this type of ad, It’s not intrusive to me. I donated 250L$ from my Store Funds to the Firestorm Project. Make every linden Count, My Funds from my sales and now onto you.

    Hope it helps.

    Sonic the Hedgehog

    January 30, 2016

  • OMG! REALLY ? We pay to play SL . now you want us to pay to use your viewer … jeez what is this world coming too … you people are all crazy … I won’t support firestorm for this reason. Firestorm made a copy bot viewer for all to copy bot designers things . the viewer is a 3rd party viewer it was made thru firestorm. the copy bot viewer is called darkstorm …

    LOL

    January 30, 2016

  • You don’t pay to play Second Life unless you choose to be a premium member, and that money goes to Linden Lab. You don’t have to pay to use Firestorm, no one ever said that. The Firestorm team only makes Firestorm, any viewer built upon our code is the product of whatever developer decided to take our freely available source and add their own portions.

    But thanks for playing. I hope you can do a better job of spreading rumors one day.

    Mister Acacia

    January 30, 2016

  • It’s wrong that only premium members have to pay SL.
    Actually those people who enjoy sl homeless, spending their time hunting freebies and looking for fast fun don’t pay anything. That’s true. I mentioned already in another reply. Second Life is a commercial venue. If it stops to make profit for Linden, they close it next day. Or does anyone think they pay all the huge costs for people who search for free fun? So SL needs people who are willing to invest and spend own money in SL. And not people who feel smart because they invest nothing.

    Back to the topic. I wonder why Linden isn’t supporting the Firestorm project. Or do they? When I look at the ongoing marketing campaign, it’s hard to believe that Firestorm does all the hard work for Linden on it’s own costs.

    Consul

    March 9, 2016

  • Darkstorm viewer is nothing to do with the Firestorm team.
    The Linden lab viewer code and all approved TPV viewer code is open source and available for anyone to fork and create their own modified viewer from if they wish.
    Firestorm source code is here for example: http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/
    People have taken viewer code from all the TPV’s and the LL viewer and made copybot clients. There is nothing we can do about this. It’s the nature of open source software.

    Whirly Fizzle

    January 30, 2016

  • Nobody is required to pay for anything; Firestorm is free and open source. People who want to contribute can pay whatever they can afford, people who don’t want to contribute pay nothing – they both have access to the same viewer. As for Darkstorm… Well, that’s the darkside of “open source”. People can download Firestorm’s source code (again, for free) and do whatever they’d like with it – including adding copybot code and providing it to others. The Firestorm team can’t stop them without stopping legitimate members of the open source community, too.

    Eressea Karsin

    January 30, 2016

  • I don’t like many things about Firestorm, but that is MY problem; now about Darkstorm, I can see what you are using and guess who you are, have you thought though that the more Firestorm evolves the better your copybotting viewer will be? pay up, get better source code to download and modify, ending this post let me say… sorry, but as you did not supply a name…let me call you…IDIOT.

    xaka chayoo

    January 31, 2016

  • Trolls. Do not feed them.

    Brayla Sana

    January 31, 2016

  • Right so Firestorm is Emerald Viewer the same viewer that led its demise. PFFFTT GET A LIFE!

    Firestorm is life, Firestorm is love.

    Sonic the Hedgehog

    February 3, 2016

  • Looks to me like the general concensus is a continuing support vessel after all. We dont just grab the veiwer once do we? Paypal is as good as any and as you are prepared to take lindens also, I see no shame in tip jars either. After all how many others have them so you can tip them for just walking on their property, with or without items to sell. I would most deffinately be an ongoing supporter. You had me at “Help.”

    Metric Halfpint

    January 30, 2016

  • I think Paypal or a crowdfunding site is the best way to go. I’ll definitely donate, I love Firestorm!

    xoRenaxo

    January 31, 2016

  • Please make Tinies and Dinkies versions of your jackets, or make alphas of the logos available. ty

    ramblingal

    January 31, 2016

  • Is Firestorm paying for all those sims? If yes, dump all but one , I’m sure you could use the Linden spaces for training

    I am very worried that this desire to get Linden new customers will over burden the FS team and then the viewer will stop. Linden should get their marketing in gear . Without FS , in my opinion, SL is zero fun to use , please don’t go BIG . You may go home .

    Bet

    January 31, 2016

  • Try to do a fundraising fair as well I’m sure there lots of designers who will be willing to participate

    Anonym

    January 31, 2016

  • Bronze Donation heading your way!

    Elora Danick

    January 31, 2016

  • Well, as I said to Jessica Inworld, it is about time that I could give back something to the team of hard-working volunteers that has supported mt SecondLife for many years. Paypal would be nice but my guess would be that they make a big upfront charge to use it. Tinies need a version of the jacket for their avatars and I am sure some creative type could produce one for Firestorm. Let’s be inclusive here too. I am pleased to see only one representative of the tinfoil hat brigade here. More power to your hands, Jessica and all Firestorm.

    Ayesha Askham

    January 31, 2016

  • I’ll support you here
    I’ll support you there
    Firestorm’s so great
    I’ll support you anywhere

    (But I’d rather do it on the Kitely Market)

    Hugs and appreciations to the Firestorm crew. You all rock!

    Serene Jewell

    January 31, 2016

  • Old enough to know good things don’t come round to often. And money makes it happen. Cheers!

    Rhonin

    February 2, 2016

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  • I was wondering, what if you teamed up with Linden Labs for a grid wide lottery? Tickets could be purchased, once a week a winner could be drawn to win a full sim for a year, two, life.. however long. You can only win once. The money generated could be split between yourself, and LL and or a charity maybe. There are so many empty sims now, and I can only imagine what might be done with the sims that people win. Perhaps those sims might even turn into spectacular projects that draw more players into Second Life. Perhaps the winners sell the sims, or whatever, which generates more revenue. I just think it might spark more interest and bring in more people and make the grid more interesting again.

    Ellie

    February 29, 2016

  • Interesting would be if you had or maybe a udesse desass jackets or shirts at metaverse Opensim. Surely that would attract the public user of viewers to be in a virtual world and within it some who also has market place with absolute certainty would cause players to buy these jackets. I even do propaganda for those products in the Market place of the grid where I’m an investor.

    Logan Hunter

    March 17, 2016