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Blocking version 4.4.0.33720

 

We will be applying a block on our 4.4.0.33720 version Thursday evening of this week. Only users on this version will be effected.

It is being blocked because it is nearly a year old and does not support any of the major improvements LL has made over the past year like Materials, Server Side Appearance or Fitted Mesh. Also because of our promise to only allow 3 versions on the grid at any given time. 4.4.0 is now our 4th oldest.

As of today’s statistics from LL there are approximately 5500 users on this build. If you are one of them please update NOW rather than wait until you cannot log in and have to scramble to download our latest.

 

Again… If you are using 4.4.2 or newer this will not have any impact on you.
While this block WILL effect Opensim grids it will be the last as we have the ability in all newer builds to block independently from grid to grid.

EDIT: There has been concern and accusations that we are using back doors or trojans in order to implement our viewer blocks. To address this I have created a wiki page explaining exactly how this system works. This can be read here http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fsdata_communications

Jessica Lyon
Project Manager
The Phoenix Firestorm Project, Inc

  • […] Firestorm team have announced that version 4.4.0.33720 of the Firestorm viewer will be blocked from accessing Second Life and […]

  • […] Blocking version 4.4.0.33720 […]

  • It would be reassuring to know that the new selective hrid blocking facility can mean that older version of Firestorm can be left able to run on older OpenSim grids… as some setups in some educational environments 9for example) might wish to freeze developments and leave a working server/content/viewer combination in place, without worrying that future blocking decisions could affect that setup.

    Ai Austin

    April 8, 2014

  • We have this ability with all future versions of Firestorm.. but we only introduced this in version 4.4.2. As the blog states, this will be the last block to effect Opensim.

    Jessica Lyon

    April 8, 2014

  • I don’t appreciate the Firestorm team using a backdoor to cripple the viewers i have on my system that were not for S/L to begin with.

    Show me where in the agreement with Firestorm that I specifically grant Firestorm authorization to hack into my computers and cripple the opensource software I downloaded from you.

    Still using the same type of coding that brought about the demise of its predecessor, Emerald. :(

    Arielle Popstar

    April 8, 2014

  • We do it through our FSData file which is the same file that notifies you when there is an update and that provides the Message of the day you receive when you login. You can view this file here http://phoenixviewer.com/app/fsdata/data.xml and this one which the viewer checks on launch http://phoenixviewer.com/app/fsdata/releases.xml as they are both 100% public and transparent. Also.. the login splash page. If you consider these ‘back doors’ then you do not understand the term.

    Secondly.. .either we can block it nicely as we do.. with ample notice or we hand the control to LL and they will block it far more aggressively. Which would you prefer?

    Jessica Lyon

    April 8, 2014

  • I would prefer that you take a few minutes to either backport the new changes to older Opensim releases or provide a tutorial for replacing that file so it does not prevent Opensim users from being able to login to their Opensim grids with the same version requirements you have negotiated with LL.

    I can’t help but find the “we have the ability in all newer builds to block independently from grid to grid.” very disturbing as innocuous as it may make it out to be.

    Arielle Popstar

    April 8, 2014

  • @Arielle Popstar I do not think you get it, and that adding newer code to an older viewer cannot be done. As it was already built before the new code was created. So back porting new code to an older viewer would mean creating a whole new viewer. Which a completely different version number.

    And that is what the creator of the cool viewer did, was back port new code to the old V1, which gave birth to a whole new breed of V1 viewers that contain V2/V3 codes. And that took the creator of the cool viewer 9 months to do.

    And I am well sure that Jessica can tell you, just how much I know about how big of a PITA back porting code can be. As I am a member of the Firestorm Skin Artist group. But to give you an example of how hard it is to do.

    Try moving mount Everest from its resting point, to another location in another part of the world and making it look just like it did before you moved it. Meaning move ever speck of dirt, rock, blade of grass whatever, so that when you are done it is exactly like it was before you moved it.

    Now if you understand how difficult a task it would be, to move mount Everest then you will understand just how difficult back porting would be. But wait its impossible to put something back like it was as once you moved it, then it will never be the same as it was as you moved it.

    animorf Kawadias

    April 8, 2014

  • Perhaps you are not getting it then animorf as mountains do NOT need to be moved but simply one tiny stone “cherrry picked” or merged from that mountain and replaced with one that is more Opensim compatible. This is the beauty of Github. Additionally since Opensim versions are tagged as ie: 4.6.1.40478OS with the OS designation it shouldn’t be hard to allow those versions access to Opensim grids while still blocking access to S/L.

    Arielle Popstar

    April 8, 2014

  • A few minutes to backport? You can not even do a complete compile of firestorm in a few minutes (it is HUGE), much less make extensive changes. Download a new version.

    Kara Spengler

    April 8, 2014

  • You do not get it, do not WISH to get it and never WILL get it – 4.4.0 is being globally blocked due to the way it was coded. That is reality.

    Backporting the bit of code in newer versions of the client to the older ones will NOT happen without making it a different version which LOOKS the same.

    On Thursday, 4.4.0 will be blocked – you can update or use a different Open Simulator (more like Reverse Engineered Simulator) compatible client.

    Making baseless accusations and fruitless demands won’t change a bloody thing.

    Jessica and others have tried to be nice (Jessica even going so far as to edit this blog post to point to the same files on their servers that she pointed out to you when there was no need whatsoever to do so) – I will NOT be nice and will not hesitate to tell you where you can shove your attitude.

    Dark Wolf

    April 8, 2014

  • Arielle, the way I see it, you can solve your own problem easily…

    1) Download the code and make a viewer the way you want it.
    or
    2) Stop using Firestorm.

    Lee McKay

    April 9, 2014

  • I don’t know how you manage to repeat this 50 million times to stupid people instead of just shooting them but thanks for not shooting them because then you’d go to jail and that wouldn’t be good for firestorm, but you should just totally ignore stuff like that already let them use different viewers including the linden viewer then come back here and cry at you for blocking those ones too

    stevey

    April 8, 2014

  • I am going to guess that anyone who knows how to mess with redirection and putting the proper files in apache just PROBABLY knows how to do a software upgrade. Not to mention that an upgrade takes less time anyway. :)

    Kara Spengler

    April 8, 2014

  • They are not “hacking” into your computer… Your client simply reads those files and determines if it is still authorized to run.

    My take on this is that blocking of older viewers, where it may be beneficial to firestorm to NOT have to deal with them. Its LL that’s dictating this policy. It all stems from LL decision to force all TPV to present the world in the same fashion as the LL standard Viewer. In my opinion this stiles innovation by taking away the ability of a developer to come up with, test, distribute, rethink, and release to an admiring community. Now everything has to go through LL first, and we all know how frustrating and time consuming that can be.

    The Firestorm team is working as best it can with the rules that LL has put in place. These rules may not be in the best interest of the community, and defiantly not beneficial to Firestorm, but I think they are doing a fantastic job dealing with it, and with no financial benefit to them self’s I might add. Keep up the good work guys

    RichD

    April 8, 2014

  • Agreeed

    Shy Robbiani

    April 15, 2014

  • What is iit you are doing to make things better Arielle.

    I mean aside from blaming everything and everyone else. You can’t sleight LL, Open Sim is not their product I believe the code is open source and that you can indeed work on this yourself. Why don’t you devote some time to it.

    You seem to feel it is an easy task. DO IT! Be a ROCKSTAR.

    Wallowing in smug self satisfaction,
    Georgie

    Georgie Tunsgten

    April 12, 2014

  • I wonder how LL’s handling the OpenSSL disaster. Any news on that? And doesn’t that mean, every old and current viewer release is practically obsolete now?

    Trin Trevellion

    April 8, 2014

  • Our website and servers not effected by the SSL issue however the windows version of our viewers is. BUT.. this exploit seems extremely limited in regards to the viewer anyways and as far as I understand the only way the viewer could be exploited is if someone were driving around your neighborhood wifi sniffing while you happen to be logged in. It is very very unlikely. But future versions will have an updated SSL.

    I have no idea what if anything LL is doing from their end.

    Jessica Lyon

    April 8, 2014

  • Thank you! Good thing I’m a wifi paranoiac. With hindsight, I thought it’s more of a server side issue. And got two service sites to do a heartbleed test (http://filippo.io/Heartbleed and http://possible.lv/tools/hb/).

    Sincerely, Trin

    Trin Trevellion

    April 8, 2014

  • Paranoid is good. I just assume that my computer is always vulnerable no matter what security measures are in place. After all, anyone with sufficient resources and motivation can get into anywhere. It makes me sleep a lot sounder as I do not need to worry that someone may break into my machine.

    Kara Spengler

    April 8, 2014

  • LL manage to make the life so much harder for the open sim community. This is one of the examples and unfortunately, Open sim grids, don’t have, yet, the impact Second Life has.
    Still , as being my viewer of choice for Open sim, Firestorm latest releases work always better then previous ones for me.
    So the true question is, why using old depreciated versions when there are new ones around?
    Cause on Open sim, we can!

    zzpearlbottom

    April 8, 2014

  • In this specific case it isn’t LL causing trouble for Opensim. It wasn’t until we really started applying a focus to Opensim that we realized we needed to add the ability to block versions in SL without effecting Opensim. We implemented that in version 4.4.2 but previous builds obviously did not have the capability. So in this case Opensim has us to blame and I do regret that this is their reality, however I can assure Opensim folks the issue has been addressed and it won’t happen again. ;-)

    Jessica Lyon

    April 8, 2014

  • I’m not real fond of things like this tha make life harder for OpenSim…but look at it from LL’s point of view. Why should they make it easy on their competition?

    Tonya Souther

    April 11, 2014

  • As Jessica said, it isn’t LL making it harder on Opensim but the Firestorm team. I have no doubt they could supply a workaround that would allow Opensim users to continue using older versions similar to how S/L allows testing older versions of their viewers through a modified secondlife.exe command line, but they haven’t seen fit to share that with Opensim users so far.

    Arielle Popstar

    April 12, 2014

  • They are under NO OBLIGATION to make a single thing easier for you. Update or use a different client to access your precious reverse-engineered grid – those are your options.

    You have no doubts that they can do what you demand they do? Welcome to reality: It’s not going to happen. Get over it.

    Dark Wolf

    April 12, 2014

  • Arielle,
    You ask a lot of questions and seem to feel entitled or owed many things, but you don’t answer my legitimate question to you.
    What are YOU doing about it? What do you add to all this? What is your excuse for not learning to do what you want done?
    Is your time more valuable than the DEVs? I can assure you your time has no value to me so I recommend you spend it with great profligacy and make these minor tweaks happen.
    I’m sure your new viewer will quickly overshadow the amateurish attempts of these skill deficient uncaring developers and bring you the honour and glory you deserve.

    Looking forward to the new Arielle’s Viewer,
    Georgie

    Georgie Tunsgten

    April 18, 2014

  • […] See: Blocking Version 4.4.0 – 33720. […]

  • Exactly how many of those 5500 old users are Mac users? I’m sorry to say but LL must be willing to shoot themselves in the foot if they’re not prioritizing the Mac bugs holding some people back.

    Firestorm, please make an update the second Mac users have their most critical usability bugs sorted out, especially being able to type in world.

    DoomRater

    April 8, 2014

  • I’m glad you asked that. It is versions after but not including 4.4.2 which contain the big Mac bugs. And I have stated to LL at one of the recent TPV meetings that we will not block 4.4.2 until some of these major Mac issues have been resolved because many cannot use anything past 4.4.2.

    I will stand by this until we feel the biggest issues have been resolved. We to have been trying to fix some of these too.

    Jessica Lyon

    April 8, 2014

  • Thanks for telling them that. I have a feeling if I put the latest release of any viewer on my 2007 mac it would scream at me. As it was later versions of FS had a habit of initially killing the FPS from that ATI card and I had to tweak graphic settings every time to bring performance to reasonable levels each time.

    Fortunately I bought a new one last year though and it uses NVidia and various other droolable specs. Now to set it up to be able to make my own builds again!

    Kara Spengler

    April 8, 2014

  • Thank you! I panicked at first this morning mistaking 4.4.0 for 4.4.2 and this is part of why Doomrater was posting. It is a very huge relief to hear you are helping fight for the Mac users and keeping us stable on the grid while the bugs are being worked out. Thank you for the reassurance that we aren’t going to be left in the dark.

    Geminai

    April 8, 2014

  • so sorry, but i am afflicted with the curse of proper spelling and word usage…..PLEASE look up the definitions of ‘effect’ and ‘AFFECT’! ty! ;) love y’all anyway! :)

    Qiana

    April 8, 2014

  • For you people who obviously don’t understand how things work, I’m going to put it bluntly for you. Shut up, update, and profit. Can’t do any of those? Then go sell your computer, because you obviously can’t handle one. In all honesty the people who work on Firestorm give you people who use it their time to make the viewer great, and if you have to whine about a update every once in a while, you’re just pathetic. Anyway, great job FS staff, and keep up the good work! ^.^

    Random Person

    April 9, 2014

  • What is the purpose of blocking the Open Sim version? I am tired of having to update the open sim version when the capabilities of open sim haven’t changed! Just remove Second Life from the Open Sim version, plain and simple. I don’t see any TOS in any open sim grid telling me I have to use the most current version of any viewer.

    Binyamin Blogfan

    April 11, 2014

  • Until version 4.2.X there was no provision to block by grid type. They had no way to only block a viewer for SL and not for Opengrid. As has been stated by Jessica, this should be about the last time you’ll have to worry about a forced upgrade for use on grids other than SL. Upgrade and then don’t ever do so again if that floats your boat, but that or switching to a different viewer are your only options at this point with that version.

    Crim Mip

    April 12, 2014

  • what you devs and fanboys and girls don’t seem to get is that it breaks a long history of versions for Opensim that work perfectly well and allow for hardware combinations that the new versions will NEVER be able to replicate.

    Arielle Popstar

    April 12, 2014

  • Come on back to reality: What you demand is not going to happen, period.

    Being told such does not mean a person is a Firestorm developer or a fan(insert gender here) – it means that the person correcting you is far more rooted in reality than you are.

    Find a different client or update to 4.4.2. Those are your choices.

    Dark Wolf

    April 12, 2014

  • And that’s regrettable. I suppose you could also go in and mod the code so it doesn’t do that check and compile your own version. That’s always been an option.

    Crim Mip

    April 13, 2014

  • So 4.2 can block by grid? Then why is 4.4 blocked to all then? Please explain since they blocked 4.4 to all grids.

    Binyamin Blogfan

    May 5, 2014

  • help!!!! nothing works(((

    Kitty007

    April 12, 2014

  • can’t update client

    Kitty007

    April 12, 2014

  • Let’s pretend you work for your local city in charge of roads. You get a complaint from a local resident that reads “Can’t cross street”.

    You must help this person… how will you fix their problem?

    Jessica Lyon

    April 26, 2014

  • Glad to know you fucking idiots screwed up another fucking forced update, every single fucking time you guys make me do this I CAN NEVER GET YOUR NEW FUCKING VERSION RO WORK AND END UP WASTING HOURS OF MY FUCKING TIME, STOP CHANGING SHIT IF YOU CAN;T MAKE IT WORK FOR EVERYONE YOU FUCKING MORONS

    Kris

    April 12, 2014

  • Hey Kris, since thousands of others aren’t having the problems you seem to have “EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME”, maybe, just perhaps it is YOU who is FAIL.

    Just looking at the evidence,
    Georgie

    Georgie Tunsgten

    April 12, 2014

  • your a idiot, and Chris is right. EVERY FUCKING TIME, oh and LL Viewer works a LOT better the Firestorm. Lucky I still have. Hey Firestorm…never again

    Lady Denise

    May 15, 2014

  • It doesn’t work for ‘everyone’. It never has, and never will. There are simply too many possible combinations of hardware and software interactions to ensure that. They settle on making it work for as many as possible. I’ll re-iterate what support would ask you. Did you do a full clean re-install. Don’t assume you know what that means. Go check the wiki. At least under the Windows version there are two folders you have to delete manually in addition to uninstalling the software. miss one and you’ll have no end of issues with the viewer. Your issues as far as social interaction are beyond the scope of this forum.

    Crim Mip

    April 13, 2014

  • :Buys Crim a drink

    Georgie Tunsgten

    April 18, 2014

  • I am in full support of this blocking method, thank you for doing your best to make it so that people have as enjoyable a Second Life experience as they can. It frustrates me to no end when people complain that my clothes are extending to infinity simply because they haven’t updated their viewer to support fitted mesh.

    iNfeRnO

    April 24, 2014

  • Same problem as kitty and thank you cris!!! you now say you are NOT going to update it with the neccessity to force me into having to update again??? I will believe it when I dont have to update again! But it would be nice IF I could download the new version in the first place..like kitty..nothing works!! AWWESOME! I am having NO second life experience! cause I cant bloody well get IN!

    Sexfiiend Ninetails

    April 26, 2014

  • Have you even tried to contact support? Because if you want to be able to use the latest version really… you would contact support and they would help you fix the issue and you would be able to use it. Contact support!

    Jessica Lyon

    April 26, 2014

  • My only complaint is the lag I endure in version 4.6.1 ever since the beta version came out. It always tells me I dont have the requirements to use firestorm which is disheartening. I never ever lagged using 4.4.1 version..and also when i lower my graphic setting in 4.6.1 I lag even more which is odd :| Its only in medium settings my laptop wont lag on me..I just hope this new update fixes that.

    Vanilla Naopolitiana

    April 27, 2014

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